Episode Overview
In our conversation with Dr. Harvey, we learned about the efforts being made to improve the healthcare industry with the advancements of AI.
While AI certainly has its place in the medical field for data collection and analysis, it can't replace the art of medicine. Dr. Harvey explains the importance of considering all the facts and using intuition to make accurate diagnoses. It is vital for doctors to have the knowledge and ability to gather and interpret information effectively to deliver the best possible care to their patients.
With that being said, here are a few areas that Dr. Harvey Castro believes AI can improve:
- Communication plays a pivotal role in all aspects of life, including healthcare, as we learned from Dr. Harvey. To improve communication in the industry, GPT technology can be utilized, particularly in discharge instructions. It is essential to consider factors such as age, gender, and culture when interacting with patients to ensure effective and easily understandable communication. Dr. Harvey shared a fascinating example of a hospital using GPT to convert discharge instructions into a coloring book for a child with pediatric asthma, making it engaging and comprehensible for the child.
- AI technology has immense potential in various aspects as a healthcare assistant, such as guiding surgeons during procedures, virtual simulations for medical training, automating lab work, and analyzing test results. It's an exciting time to witness the transformative power of AI.
- Dr. Harvey envisions a future where AI can deal with front-facing patient care. Things like transcribing conversations and captures physical exams through cameras, eliminating the need for doctors to document anything during appointments. This futuristic scenario also includes virtual consultations with doctors and virtual ambulances with cameras, gathering crucial medical information.
- Education is another aspect where AI is making a significant difference. Companies are revolutionizing the way we educate by utilizing AI equivalent technologies like GPT to update and enhance medical education. This shift in education will likely extend to medical schools and other educational institutions. Introducing AI into healthcare does encounter resistance, but as Dr. Harvey discovered, educating both doctors and patients about its benefits, drawbacks, and potential risks is crucial. The pervasive lack of knowledge about GPT and its applications among even close friends and family highlights the necessity of spreading awareness and understanding.
Episode Insights
Artificial intelligence (AI) is revolutionizing industries worldwide, and the field of healthcare is no exception. From improving diagnosis accuracy to enhancing patient experience, AI technology is playing a significant role in transforming the healthcare landscape.
Here are our 5 insights from our conversation with Dr. Harvey Castro.
1. AI-Powered Robots and Triage Nurse Assistance:
With advancements in AI, we could have robots equipped with tactile functions and camera capabilities that provide vital medical information. These robots have the potential to act as triage nurses or residents, offering valuable assistance in healthcare settings. With the ability to sense and share age, hemoglobin levels, blood pressure, and more, these robots could significantly enhance the efficiency of medical processes.
2. GPT Technology in Healthcare Communication:
The power of AI lies in its ability to process vast amounts of data and generate insightful responses. Implementing GPT technology specifically tailored for healthcare communications can vastly improve patient understanding and engagement. Imagine discharge instructions being transformed into interactive coloring books for children with pediatric asthma, making it more engaging and easier to comprehend important information.
3. Assisting Doctors with Augmented Intelligence:
While AI in healthcare shows immense promise, it is crucial to remember that it does not replace the art of medicine. The combination of a doctor's medical knowledge and the ability to gather and interpret information is vital for effective diagnoses and treatment. The AI technology acts as a powerful assisting tool, providing doctors with data analysis and guidance during surgical procedures, and aiding in training and simulations.
4. AI's Role in Medical Education and Training:
The introduction of AI in medical education and training is revolutionizing the way doctors and healthcare professionals learn. Traditional textbooks take time to print and might become outdated quickly, hindering the learning process. Companies are now leveraging AI equivalents like Auto GPT to gather real-time information from the internet and medical references, ensuring medical education continuously evolves and stays up-to-date.
5. Balancing Funding and Cost Concerns:
As AI continues to push the boundaries in healthcare, it is essential to consider the impact on costs and funding. Investment in AI companies, such as OpenAI, promotes innovation and research. Nonetheless, striking a balance between funding and managing healthcare costs is vital to ensure accessibility and affordability for all patients.
Episode Transcript
Jordan [00:00:18]:
Could AI be your doctor one day? I know it's a crazy question, but we have to talk about it. It's something that we're gonna talk about today. on everyday AI. This is your daily livestream podcast and free newsletter where we help everyday people like you and me not just understand AI, but how we can actually use it. So before we get into the role of AI in healthcare, and we have a great one, we actually have the author of the of the doctor who wrote the book on ChatGPT and Healthcare.
Daily AI news
So before we get there though, I wanna run down some of the biggest things that are going on in the news world today. We do this every single day weekdays, Monday through Friday. So if you are joining us live, please go ahead and and drop comment like this LinkedIn user that said, wow. So let's let's get to it. Couple big news pieces today. So first, a new CNBC story. says that the AI boom that's happening right now is actually the 4th industrial revolution playing out. At least that's that's a quote from an executive from Wedbush Securities. So make sure to read more about that in the newsletter today.
A a couple other cool healthcare related stories. So 1, Gleemer is a healthcare tech company. They just raised $30,000,000. to bring more AI and radiology products and services to the market. Super exciting. Speaking of tools and software, you've probably seen or heard these AI detection tools. So we're gonna be sharing in our newsletter today a link to a story that talks about how easy is it to fool these AI detection tools. That's from the New York Times, so make sure to check that out.
And last but not least, and, you know, kind of a good transition into our our show today, big news story. So this is the first AI generated drug has entered human clinical trials. So I'm not gonna give you the name of the drug because it's a bunch of letters and numbers. But It has entered phase 2 clinical trials targeting chronic lung disease patients. So We're gonna have all of that and a lot more in our daily newsletter. So make sure you go to your everyday AI.com. Sign it for that free newsletter. We're gonna have a lot more, but right now, I'm extremely excited to bring on someone that I've been following in the kind of AI and ChatGPT space So let's let's bring on our guests for today. So we have welcome. We have Doctor Harvey Castro, the author of ChatGPT and Healthcare, Doctor Harvey Caster. How are we doing?
Dr. Harvey [00:02:49]:
Awesome. Thanks for having me. This is exciting. I've been wanting to do this for a while now.
Intro to Dr. Harvey Castro
Jordan [00:02:59]:
Absolutely. So I can't wait to talk about a whole variety of things. But as a reminder, this is for everyone out there. You know? Every like, everyday AI is everyday people. So if you do have a question for doctor Harvey Caster, please leave leave it, and we'll get to it. If you're listening later on the podcast, you missed out to to to to get all your questions answered. So we do have quite a few people already with questions, but I have a question for you first. doctor Doctor Harvey. So I I I started the show with maybe a little bit of a sensationalized statement, but is that too far off, might we have doctors or a system one day that is just primarily AI? Is that a thing?
Dr. Harvey [00:03:43]:
You know, I I I pause for a second and hesitate to answer because my gut says no, but technology is changing so fast. And with robots that I'm seeing and with things that are coming, it's starting to make me think twice that, well, maybe we wanna have to concede here and say, you know, I do see a robot in our future where it is gonna be a resident equivalent where it'll be my assistant. I don't wanna replace myself yet, so I'm gonna say not yet.
Jordan [00:04:09]:
Yeah. That's that's the I think you come from obviously a very unique position. So you obviously have a background as a practicing physician as, you know, more of a an executive role in healthcare systems. But, also, you are literally pushing the the education around this technology with AI And healthcare, ChatGPT And healthcare. So I guess how do you like, where do you lean on it, though?
Can AI become a doctor?
Dr. Harvey [00:04:37]:
Yeah. Let me kinda explain my rationale. So OpenAI, and I'm really bad with names. So forgive me. They have a robot that's coming out by the end of the year. and it will have what's called tactile function. So it will be able to sense and give information back. Well, just extrapolate here a couple of things. If you have the equivalent, I call it, ChatGPT 5 where it can see and take video and pictures were 4 has it, but we just haven't been able to use it due to GPUs out there in the world. But just play with me for a sec. So we have this fake robot. Let's put a white coat on them. and say it's able to see. And now with the tactile, it can field the patient's belly. And, for example, it'll say, oh, wait. This is right up quadrant. It's by the gallbladder. It sends that feedback, looks at the differential, and says, okay. It's probably this. I'm a go a little extra here with the eyes. In the eyes, there's already technology that the video camera can actually give my age, my hemoglobin a 1 c, which is the last 3 months of my sugar, it can give my blood pressure it could give about 5 or 6 different parameters just with the camera. So I'm thinking, man, you put that camera on this robot. Dude, you got, like, a lot of information. You have your triage nurse. You have your resident, and it's all being packaged. Due to the hallucination effect, I don't think it'll be ChatGPT. it'll be another BiogPT out there that or no. I said BiogPT, another GPT that's healthcare related. And that's why I hesitated so much because I'm, like, in my mind thinking, well, you put all these pieces together, you would have something very close.
Jordan [00:06:05]:
Yeah. That's that's a good point. So we're we're obviously already starting at the end, which I love. But let's let's let's hit remind and and let's kind of remind people just just of your background because it's extensive. Right? I think people might hear us talking and say, oh, this this GPT or AI thing is brand new. you know, who are these guys to be talking about it. But you have a a a huge in-depth background in in technology and in the healthcare field. So just give everyone a brief overview of your background.
About Dr. Harvey Castro
Dr. Harvey [00:06:35]:
Yeah. I'm I'm blessed in that. I wear 2 hats. I'm an ER doctor by training, so I I've done it for over 20 years. I I know my my ER stuff. per se. But, simultaneously, I'm an entrepreneur. I've had over 30 iPhone apps into the technology world. I've actually wrote my first app, which was IV Meds. and I I spent a lot of time looking at technology and merging it with healthcare. As an entrepreneur, I joke. I feel like I live in cloud. I live in dreaming, and I always think of things, and I love merging the 2 languages. Let's say the language of medicine and the language of artificial intelligence for today's conversation. And so that's kind of my background. And and and just really quickly, back in November, I was playing with ChatGPT. And I was blown away, and I was like, oh my gosh. I had that iPhone moment. I'm like, this is gonna be the next iPhone, but better. I was like, let me write a book real quick and, like, explain how it works and tell our teachers and doctors and and patients. And I was just so stoked. I was like, okay. I gotta tell people. So that's my background.
Jordan [00:07:34]:
Yeah. Yeah. And if you're not watching live, I I do have doctor Harvey's book on the screen here. So he literally wrote the book on ChatGPT And Healthcare. unlocking the potential of patient empowerment. What was that process like?
Dr. Harvey Castro's process for writing ChatGPT and Healthcare
Dr. Harvey [00:07:48]:
And and and what was the reception as well in the medical community? Well, it's kinda funny. Obviously, medicine's fairly conservative, and I'm here pushing the envelope and telling telling patients, hey. Use doctor Google, but let's use ChatGPT tell your doctor we're gonna use it together, and I know doctors were upset with me. It's really tough to write this book. You know? When I wrote the first edition, and this was in my new January 5th. And here we are, like, 6 months later, I'm already talking about several books out. If this technology changed it so fast, but the skinny is this. I'd see life as a bell curve. We have people in one extreme that know their stuff really well. And when I wrote it, they're like, this is an this is just scratching the surface. And in my mind, I'm like, It's actually not meant totally for you. It's more meant for people that don't understand this technology, haven't thought of all the possibilities. So I'm just kinda presenting it to them. at at the first or 2, people are, like, excluding including my wife and close friends are like, Chachi Pitu. Who? What are you talking about? Like, I have no idea, and I was and I was talking to my doctor friends, and I'm like, hey. The last thing you want is a patient to show up with some papers saying this is GPT, and you don't even know what this is and what the good, the bad, the ugly is. so when I made that statement, I was like, you know what? Maybe I should start teaching people the good, the bad, and the ugly as far as doctors and patients.
Are medical professionals scared of AI?
Jordan [00:09:00]:
Yeah. Absolutely. And you bring up something that I wanted to talk about. Did you say doctor Google, right, is that is is that a saying in the medical community? Right? So I I like, I think when people talk about AI in healthcare. They think, oh, no. Absolutely not. You need to trust the doctor's knowledge. But at least when I go to see the doctor, so many times, they're just googling something. Right? So I say I say, like, what's the difference? So do you think that people like, in the medical community, in the healthcare, profession. Are people, for some reason, biased against AI or are they scared of it even though it is kind of just a ten times more powerful Google.
Dr. Harvey [00:09:42]:
So I'm gonna have to take one more time. I think, again, it's a bell curve. I think we have our newer generation doctors that are let's go with technology. I got it. Let's see it. But then we have our conservative older doctors that honestly, some of them can't type, and I'm not disrespecting them in any way. They just didn't grow up with the typewriter and typing. And so typing, they literally have two fingers going or they ask for an assistant to type for them. And so we have 2 different populations. The key that I'm trying to teach my fellow doctors and patients is there's a balance. I don't think AI is at the point where it could just take over my job because, honestly, it's called the art of medicine because it's a true art. And AI can only look at the facts, but it also hallucinates and makes some mistakes. And in this world of healthcare, it's not like you bought a bad stock because AI told you to. Hey. Maybe someone died or maybe some bad effect happened. So healthcare is a little different in that. Lives are huge. and we can't make those decisions without a human as of today. And so that's kinda my soapbox on that one. Yeah. So you ended it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna poke and prod a little here because I'm interesting. You ended it with a caveat of as of today.
Jordan [00:10:52]:
Right? Is that is that going to change? Right? Do you see, as an example, in the future, you know, kind of how the transportation industry, as an example, is is switching over to everything more autonomous. Will will it ever get like that in healthcare where the majority of decisions are maybe made by AI, and then it's just more of a a doctor or physician checking everything on the back end?
Can AI take over the roles of doctors?
Dr. Harvey [00:11:14]:
You know, honestly, I I think we're headed that way. It's I again, I I the third hesitation here is the art of medicine is a true art. And there's many times in residency that my res my my fellow resident or my doctor colleagues mentors would tell me, hey, Harvey. Sometimes you have to be a doctor. Sometimes the facts in front of you tell you one thing, but you need to step back and look at all the facts and become a doctor in the sense that you're making that decision. And so using that principle, AI may collect all the data, may look at everything, may point me, and may bias me down a wrong road. but my experience, my gestalt, my my looking at it from 10000 feet high, putting all the factors together because there's also things like like small queues. Like, if I look at you at the way you talk, your mannerisms, your tone, yes, AI eventually can catch all those things, but you put it all together. so many factors that it's hard to train a model. So my point is, I think it's gonna take more than just having a doctor having a robot gather all that information. I think it's gonna truly take a doctor to do it. But here's the beauty of all this craziness. I really think there's gonna be some AI bias in that. I've I worried that my younger I'm gonna call myself an old man here. my younger doctor, friends, they're not gonna have that gestalt because they're so used to using AI and artificial intelligence and other tools that they're gonna over rely on automation, over rely on technology, and I really worry about those doctors because if they don't do both, they're gonna do many mistakes because they just won't have the experience. Yeah. Does that make sense? No. That makes perfect sense.
Jordan [00:12:55]:
Do do do you have a Commitor 2 wanted to bring up here. So Ryan Martin says, great book, read it twice. Ryan, thanks for listening. Ryan. You you know, professor. Doctor Mohammed is saying, ChatGPT is now binding professionals too. Absolutely. You know, I do wanna follow-up something that you that you said but also look again. Look forward because I'm always I'm always trying to look forward. But what areas of healthcare, you know, if we just talk about GPT, right, because AI has been around in medicine and then in healthcare for decades. Right? But if we're just talking about GPT, ChaTGPT, and what can be built around those around this technology, what areas of of medicine or healthcare? Do you see the GPT technology being most disruptive, whether it's for a a bad a bad thing in in terms of, you know, jobs and careers and professions or for a good thing in terms of, you know, creating more possibilities and and more capabilities for the healthcare system.
Using GPT technology in healthcare
Dr. Harvey [00:13:53]:
I love your question because I coulda answered a different had you worded it differently. So let me go with GPT since he was stressed on the GPT technology. I think one of the biggest problems is actually communication. You could apply that to marriage, you can apply that to life, just communication. One of the biggest problems with doctors and pain points is not being able to speak their language. Meaning, as a doctor, you're taking all this medical jumbo stuff, but then to be be a really good person to educate. You need to break it down to a five year old. And if you could break it down to that level, then I think, you know, your stuff really well, but better. You can converse with that person. So bringing it to ChatGPT, why not? Just let's change discharge instructions. Let's just take that one part. Let's just go into the discharge instructions and say, okay. I have a fifty year old is way different how I talk to a male versus a female versus a five year old. Not that being a sexist, it's just that there are certain things in their healthcare that is a factor that you would talk to them differently. taking it to another level, there's different cultures. I grew up in New York City, so I'm very sensitive to different cultures around the world. And I grew up with them, and I went to my friend's parents' house, and then we would eat and and do the customs. And I remember doing mistakes in their house and be like, no. No. We don't do that in our culture. I was like, oh, wow. I didn't know. And so my point is why not use the power of a GPT to help me create those examples so I'm talking to the patient I'm being respectful of their culture. I'm being mindful of how. But but let me give it to you real quick another quick example of how that would apply. I usually talk about this example, but the skinny is this. Have a five year old pediatric asthma, first time, kids scared. I help them out, give the parents a discharge and That's how it's done today. This one hospital did the following. They took the discharge instructions, put it into GPT and say, hey. I'm talking to a five year old, convert this into a coloring book, Then they took a dolly equivalent. They made the pictures. They put it all together and said, here, son. Here's a discharge instruction, but it's a coloring book. now that child can go through with the parents, with the doctor, the nurse, whoever, but it can actually look at it and be like, oh, this is why I need to take my meds. Oh, this is why I need to check my blood. blah blah blah. I mean, it really takes it to another level, and then you can go over and over. And I'm like, that is the future of healthcare, and I feel that that's the way it's gonna go, at least for that one example.
Jordan [00:16:06]:
Wow. That example really hits home for me because I had my first asthma attack as a 5 year. So, you know, I don't I don't remember a lot but I remember being scared and confused, and I can only imagine the how much better I would have felt or how much more comforted if if my discharge instructions were a coloring book, treating like, teaching me about how to treat this. So even with that, a great follow-up, and we have some great questions. I'm gonna get to them. So thank you thank you guys for your patience. But On that, I think one of the knocks is on on GPT or AI is that it's not empathetic. Yeah. And you just and you just gave a great example of how you can use this technology to create empathy, and everyone thinks it's just like, no. It's it's robotic. It's not empathetic. And then Obviously, there's the very famous study now about ChatGPT versus doctors in terms of bedside manner. and ChatGPT was actually rated higher in terms of empathy. So how do you see the GPT technology improving empathy, or is it or might it not?
Can AI improve empathy for patients?
Dr. Harvey [00:17:08]:
No. I definitely think it will. Let me give you an example. I I already think it'd be great use for medical students and doctors and hospitals that You know, I at one point, I had over 50 doctors that were under me that I had to manage, and I realized at at one point, I'm I'm not gonna be disrespectful, but I felt like I was a high school principal telling doctors, I'm like, are you kidding? Why'd you do this or x or y? And so my point is this, if I could use the power of a GPT to teach empathy, to create modules, to have them interact and make up fake cases where they would the GPT or the ChatGPT will give them corrections on, yeah, this is how you do things. This is what you do because, honestly, again, I know not going to some of my fellow colleagues. They're so smart and they're so into their one part of medicine that they forget the some some of them have really bad bedside manners. And I think if we AI could put it together with a human and teach. And I and I see a future where we have a laptop or a iPhone. I know doctors are gonna hate me again for saying this, but we sit down with our patients, and we have that laptop We have the patient, and we have the topic. And we're like, let's do this together. Let's put it into a GPT equivalent. Let's see what it says. Let's see what I think. give you my medical expertise, and let's put it together. I don't think it's one or the other. I think it's both.
Jordan [00:18:21]:
Yeah. Actually, now's a great time for for for this question from Yati Yati, thank you for the question. Because this perfect perfectly plays into what we are just talking about. So She's asking how is HIPAA impacted if and when users input their medical data into the shared check GPT servers. That's a great question because I think that's that's one of the biggest hesitations, I think, with GPT in general, not just in healthcare, is privacy and and security concerns. So how do you handle that one? Yeah. So great questions. Probably one of the top 10 questions.
Dr. Harvey [00:18:56]:
And here in in the United States, it's HIPAA and outside. I I am really bad with Europe's privacy laws, but it's equivalent to have it. It's just everywhere what I'm getting at. And so how to get how to do this as as follows, in my opinion. Number 1, I would never put any personal information into ChatGPT. I would keep it very generic. Make sure you're not using your address, things like that. Obviously, ChatGPT has your IP address. So in theory, they already know who you are. But for privacy light area, they've added in their settings a way that you're not training the model. So go into your settings, especially if you're paying for CHPT 4 and go in there and just take off that you're not training the model, that would be one way. 2nd, again, I'm gonna reinforce, do not put your information in there. just put other stuff. And how doctors are getting around it is they're putting the nuts nuts and bolts of the information of the patient, of what you're just coming in with. So diabetic or in your case pediatric asthma, but they're not saying you're a five year old. If they do say you're a five year, they're not saying your name and your social and other identifiers. So that'd be one way. Yeah.
Jordan [00:19:58]:
Great great question, Yadi. Fantastic response, obviously, Doctor Harvey. But I have a question because, you know, We mentioned the security piece or the security concerns, data, all of that with CHETTI. How long do you think until a lot of big healthcare companies figure it out or maybe maybe they have, I don't know, about just having their own large language models so they can tap into the power of GPT, but keep everything private and then also train it, you know, on their own, you know, reach in or their own policies. I guess, why haven't we seen that yet, or is that just the next big innovation in terms of of healthcare so you can tap into it but still keep everything private and secure? Yeah. Perfect question. So number 1,
Dr. Harvey [00:20:44]:
there are technologies out there that are looking at scrubbing the data so that before it goes to open AI, for example, it would be scrubbed so that that would never happen. 2, they are looking at models of what you just said. Create your own LLM, a New York NYU. I'm from New York City. has created they're looking at a database and creating their own, and that's, I think, the future. I think that's what people are gonna do. There's two things. know a lot of people don't know this, but with ChatGPT what makes it powerful is the human reinforced force learning. Mhmm. My angle is instead of saying a human, let's say it's doctor Reinforce Learning, but then not just stop there. Let's talk about doctor specific. Meaning, I'm an ER doctor. I should only do human reinforced learning or clinician reinforced learning in ER medicine. I have no business in pediatric surgery because I'm a pediatric surgeon. I have no idea. I may look at it and say, oh, yeah. That looks good, but in reality, it's totally wrong. That's not what's done. And so I think that is the future, and that's what we're just gonna go forward. Not promoting. I don't have any stock, but there is this company called Glass Health AI. That's what they're doing, what I just mentioned, but it's a private company. Another is the Hippocratic AI. They're working on this as well. And so these are just two that I know for sure, and I know there's more than that because I write about it in one of my but but that's the future.
Jordan [00:22:02]:
Yeah. I can't I can't wait to see how that unfolds. And even as a patient. Right? Like, I'm looking at this from from that perspective. I'm excited for this technology because it's gonna improve care. I think, at least. So couple couple other questions and comments. Sarah, thank you for your comment saying the human touch and interaction is so important, and AI can be a great tool to enable. us with communication with patient and families. Thank you for that. 100% agree. Ryan Ryan has a question here. So you know, talking following up on the mid journey coloring books, you you know, never thought of it for pediatric cases, saying it's brilliant. I agree. But a question for you, do you see a drastic change in medical education with AI? because I know you've talked about this before. how hard it is for physicians and and how much they have to relearn on an ongoing basis. How will ChatGPT or AI in general help with education?
Education and medical industries adopting GPT-based technology
Dr. Harvey [00:22:55]:
love that question. I've spoken to several companies, and I've seen some on the news that basically is sharing that they are changing the way we educate Not only the way we educate, but the way we're testing. So how will it change? In medicine, we use something to call up to date, and, obviously, the goal is stay up to date because technically textbooks take forever to print, so it's online and they can change it. But what's funny is that up to date is technically not up to date. And so what they're doing is they're using the power of a GPT equivalent. Let's just call it auto GPT, where it's going out to the Internet or going out to medical references and is telling it go into pubmed or whatnot and then plug that into up to date. And that is what the company I've heard is starting to do. And so what's that gonna do in the future? Well, I'm already seeing different companies talk about creating a GPT equivalent into education. For example, I'm going blank on the name, but I think it's Wharton School of Business out there. They have a branch where they're teaching using AI I'm sorry, using just regular education. I remember hearing the talk where the professor said what used to take him 2 hours to explain and to create the content, it's literally taking him minutes. And so he was kinda sad that it took him years create all this content. He said if he just sat down with his team, we could probably knock it out in a month. And so that's just the power of education. So my point is, Medical school will change as long as as well as all the other schools, law school, and all the other undergrads.
Jordan [00:24:23]:
Yep. Change I think change is the the name of the game here. You know, even if you look at when Chachi first came out in November of this year to where we are now. Things have changed drastically because of the GPT technology and other companies being able to tap into it and kinda build their own models off of it. So as a reminder, if if you are tuning in live, please leave a question for doctor Harvey. But I I I do have a question because there's a whole area of your background that we haven't even tapped into, and I would be remiss if I didn't ask some of these questions. So We even opened up the show with one of the news pieces talking about just how much money is going into AI you know, startups or, you know, established health Tech Companies. You you know, you have a background as an investor and an entrepreneur. How do you see just outside money combining with AI in the medical field? Is it a Could it be too much all at once, or do you think it's a good thing to see that innovation happening with this new AI and GPT technology?
Dr. Harvey [00:25:27]:
Yeah. That's a tough one. And let me explain why. You know? And I'm gonna go to my soapbox here for a sec, so excuse me, for doing it. Elon Musk invested into OpenAI because he wanted to keep it open. He wanted to keep this information away from someone called Microsoft or just a big corporation. And so the goal is, if you think about it, if you have OpenAI or you have some kind of GPT equivalent non touch with private money or public money now. Then, and the goal is you could do whatever you want because you're focused on the goal. Once you have an external factor, and I love Microsoft for them to come in and put money now, they have to answer to shareholders. And I know OpenAI is not owned by Microsoft. but 49% percent of it is. And so it changes it. So how does that affect my statement in medicine? Well, it makes it a catch 22 because Now there's gonna be that pressure external pressure saying, hey. We need to produce money. Now we gotta do x, y, and z. Whereas, if you're just doing it on kindness of your heart. You're like, hey. Let's create a better healthcare. There is not that external factor. You can do more. So that's one issue. With that said, It's a necessary evil. We need the money to create. Now here's the opposite side of that. If you fund it so well that the company doesn't do the judiciary duty bike using that money well, and they waste so much money that when it goes out to the consumer now, it costs so much money for the hospital and everybody else. You kinda defeated the purpose. Now it's actually increasing healthcare costs to use this tool. Yeah.
Jordan [00:26:58]:
Speaking of cost, I think one thing that can be offset, obviously, is using AI and and GPT in the in the medical field. So Monica's question here, a great one. So how will AI impact the medical industry in areas such as procedures and surgeries? lab work, and robotics.
AI revolutionizes medical procedures and lab work
Dr. Harvey [00:27:17]:
Oh my gosh. This is awesome. So, you know, one of the favorite stay sayings in med school was c 1, do one, teach one. And so applying that to a procedure, I've already seen this amazing surgical AI. And again, don't ask me for names because I'm horrible at names. But the skinny is I either put on some VR glasses or a monitor, but the skinny is I'm in the surgical field doing the procedure, but the AI is identifying the human body part it's telling me cut here this angle, giving me little dots I'm able to cut, and it's walking me through. Other things with AI is just that virtual AI. You know, another soapbox. Basketball, they say if you can just sit in bed and just pretend you're throwing the ball, you'll actually do better at free throws than just throwing it. I mean, that's just another way of practicing. taking it to the medical field. If you can see and visualize your patients, say you have a digital twin and you're able to do the procedure and you're adding AI, now you're able to navigate and see what you're able to do, and then you're actually cutting and you're practicing the procedure. As a resident, I hate it when they were like, okay, Harv. Did you see how we did that? Here you go. And I'm like, I'm having to do this procedure. How nice would it be to have AI walk me through? I'm not plugging in company I'm consulting for, but it's called not to give you the name, but it's basically AI and ultrasound, and it's navigating you how to do ultrasound. It's letting the common person at home be able to ultrasound themselves. And I thought, man, this is the way to do procedures and to do things. And so how will that apply I saw talked about procedure surgery lab work. And lab work, I see it being more automated where we can talk to our data. know, one of the most frustrating things you can complete for me is when I get my physical exam and I get my stuff in labs. I gotta go back and compare, and I know there's graphs. But how nice would it be able to upload it to a GPU equivalent and say, okay. What's my trending glucose? What's my trending whatever? And it would give me the numbers without me having to physically look for it. Yeah. That's how it's gonna change.
Jordan [00:29:11]:
That's so that makes perfect sense from the physician side, but I'm also wondering from the patient side. So An example I'm thinking of, you you know, how you said like, oh, how you can ultrasound yourself. That's amazing. But I think one thing, at least here in the US, that patients are maybe frustrated with in healthcare. Is this the time it takes to get in to see a specialist? So accessibility. you know, can be weeks or months depending on where you live just just to see, you know, a specialist. Do you see AI and technology maybe changing this? Like, as an example, could GPT come in to the the everyday healthcare system and, you know, automate so much of the the manual processes, paper work all of that to open up capacity, or how do you see that playing out?
Future of healthcare: AI transcription, virtual exams
Dr. Harvey [00:30:03]:
Yeah. I love that question. I saw this amazing model, and I've seem too, actually. But the skinny is this. Just as you and I are having a conversation, if we were if I was being your doctor, I'd have to look down and figure out my keyboarding and type. And then I hate when you meet with the doctor and they're just, like, turned away, and they're looking at their computer or their they call it cow computer on wheels. And so instead, what I see happening in the future is and I already see the product. They have AI listening to the conversation, transcribing the conversation, and I'll take it to the next level. This camera that I have here being able to take my physical exam. So, literally, I don't have to document anything. If anything, I just look at it and make sure that everything's correct. And so that's gonna free up my time. It's gonna make it more efficient. Now talking about, from a patient's point of view, how to see a doctor, I I talked about this at AIMed, I see a feature where I wake up in the middle of the night. I'm having symptoms, and I'm I'm having a conversation with the GPT equivalent backed by a doctor just kinda going through it. And then all of a sudden, until medicine pops up and says, okay. I'm your doctor. I'm here at the ER. That's close to your house. what's going on. And then I'm like, you know what? I need to have I need you to see me. So come. But then play with me here for a sec. I have my ambulance my virtual ambulance come get you. So it's like a Tesla equivalent. It self drives. It comes as you're in the ambulance, that camera I talked about early in the show is giving my vitals. It's giving the information that me in real time, I'm seeing it on the other end. I'm like, oh, wait. This person needs an aspirin now. So then it's printing an aspirin, and then you take the aspirin. And then by the time you come in, I already know you. I already seen you. I haven't seen the feed. I have all this data. I already have like I mentioned, the hemoglobin a wants to see. I already have your sugar. I already know a lot of things that are going on. So I I think this is the feature, and I don't And I I hate saying a feature because I see a lot of these products today, and I think that's gonna come sooner than we think.
Jordan [00:31:43]:
So speaking of the future and if you do have a question for Doctor Harvey. Ask it now because, otherwise, I'm gonna end on this one. So speaking of the future, sometimes I put people in the hot seat. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get in here. So the same way the same way let's take an easy example. Media, the way that we consume media has changed so much. It used to be just you know, you'd go rent a movie from blockbuster and read a newspaper. Right? Now it's streaming directly to the phone and, you know, push notifications for for what you want, what you need. if you were to take take a look, you know, at where, you know, healthcare was maybe 5 years ago versus where it's going to be in 5 years, what do you see? What is the equivalent of the, you know, the streaming media, the, you know, personalized push notifications that we get information what do you see happening in that regards for healthcare in the medical industry?
Where will healthcare be in 5 years?
Dr. Harvey [00:32:38]:
You know, I I unfortunately, I I see those advances out side the US before we see them here. But I think those outside countries will produce things because of legislation and because of the need, risk versus benefit. Let me explain real quick. In Africa, we have areas in Africa that don't have Internet, don't have access to healthcare. So it'll be a combination of using, like, satellite Internet, with a GPT equivalent and a physician assistant, but that will go out to the masses and be able to take care of patients. And then take it to the next level there'll be places where the government will subsidize GPT equivalent on your phone, and it'll be your healthcare, and they'll allow it because they'll say, you know what? Risk versus benefit. this or nothing, and we need our population to be able to catch things. And so the future will have these things. Now will that happen here in the states? There's legislation. There's a lot of issues. I know doctors are are about to I'm sure many of my phone's about to go crazy for saying that. But I think it's gonna take a while here in the US. I think we'll get something like that, but it'll be a lesser degree. But I think the pressures from other countries and depending who's a president will change the legislation and and to answer it, we'll we'll see those changes here. It's it's gonna be exciting, but
Jordan [00:33:50]:
regardless, you have, I think, a great like, if you're listening to this watching this, you have a great resource because, you know, not Not to plug doctor Harvey too much, but, you know, he has literally written the book on ChatGPT and Healthcare. He's putting out great information. So whether you are concerned what this is gonna look like from a patient point of view or if you are a physician listening in, make sure to to check out doctor Harvey Castro. In our newsletter, we're gonna be linking to all of his different resources. We didn't even get into it. You have a full podcast that is produced by GPT and AI voices. It's amazing, but I don't wanna take up your entire day because we could talk about this for forever. So Doctor Harvey Castro. Thank you so much for joining the Everyday AI Show. Thanks for having me, guys. Alright. And just as a quick reminder, go to your everyday AI.com. If you want more information, if you weren't able to keep up with everything we talked about, don't worry. We got you. We're gonna have all that in our free daily newsletter. Also, make sure to subscribe to the podcast on Apple. you know, Spotify, whatever people listen to podcasts on. So we hope that we'll join you'll join us tomorrow on everyday AI. Thank you.